Narendra Modi or Narendra Devi? Let’s start with an example: Maithili Thakur “Thakur” is a male surname. There are no dominant female surnames in Hinduism. If female surnames were dominant, such as “Devi” then we would probably see men accepting female surnames, just like women have accepted male surnames for example, Narendra Devi. When was the last time you saw names like this? This may sound like a joke, but it is enough to challenge the myth of empowerment. If a woman cannot ask this basic question related to identity, then she isn’t truly empowered. All traditional cultures and religions are anti-women, whether they acknowledge it or not. It doesn’t matter if it’s Indian, British, or anywhere else. I just used this example to ask a question: Why is Shivani Aggarwal an acceptable name, but Shiv Devi is not? What do you think ?? PS : Why doesn't Shivani Aggarwal create any confusion but Shiv Devi does ? This is internalised oppression. Why does no mainstream urban Indianhashtag#feministtalk about this issue?
Yash Pratap That's becoz family name is linked to the Male lineage. We have Father's surname. It requires deeper understanding of the Sanskaars first. Yes all this has been exploited. Arth ka Anarth. This is the trouble. So, without deeper knowledge I would not comment on this. Without understanding religion we cannot question anything. First we need to gain knowledge and then ask Right questions.
Yash Pratap Thats ok, but it doesn't come across the right way. Talk about the exploitation not religion becoz you have not understood the deeper aspect of religion either.
To me those who are Anti Religion also don't know what is religion. So better we should talk about Patriachy, misinterpretation of religion, not the Principles which have deeper significance.
Dr.Shalini RatanI mostly use the prefix "Orthodox" to represent the patriarchal or societal version of religion—that is, what people actually practiced. This question is based on a surname, which isn’t fundamentally a question of religion; it is primarily a question of society, particularly of caste and religion.
Yash Pratap Well then i think you are mixing up everything. Religion is not Orthodox. Orthodoxy is a Mindset. It's like if doctors are corrupt then say medical science teaches corruption. That's absurd. Also, have you read and Interpreted scriptures yourself. How do you know what it means. Yes, some form Cult and that should be questioned, not the Principles of Religion. Word Religion is used very casually by those who claim to be Rational. So, I am just clarifying.
Taniya AndolaThere were only two people who were pro women at the time of Indian independence Nehru and Ambedkar. All others were regressive at least Gandhi knew that he was regressive and that's why he picked Nehru as PM candidate.
Sharaleepa MajumderHaha, but many people try to whitewash history and say our "tradition/culture" was better. I just want to tell them that there were no real rights for Indian women before 1947—not only because of patriarchy but also because of science and technology which made equality possible up to a certain level. That's why I wrote it.
Jatin ShethI just used this example to ask a question: Why is Shivani Aggarwal an acceptable name, but Shiv Devi is not? What do you think ?? PS : Why doesn't Shivani Aggarwal create any confusion but Shiv Devi does ? This is internalised oppression.
Dr.Shalini RatanYes, I know, but we are asking questions related to surnames, which are linked to caste and religion. These systems are defined as male-centric, and from a philosophical perspective, things may be different, but a surname has nothing to do with philosophy. A surname represents caste and religion, and these have real consequences. Calling 5% of women “Devi” while invisibilising and exploiting the remaining 95% does not solve the issue of surnames.
Yash Pratap As I said you are mixing up and giving your own justification. Now you used the word Philosophy. It's Spiritual Science not Philosophy. Now you would call Spiritualism to be imagination. So, like I don't accept blind religious beliefs, same way I don't blindly agree on Rational Beliefs. Yes, even being Rational can become a Belief.
Most of the sacred rivers in hindu culture are feminine. Except 2 : brahmaputra and son. Just wondering why so?Yash Pratapwhat is your perspective on this.
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Shubham Kumar BhagatCome into the real world — in mythology, everyone speaks nicely. But in reality, the whole world looks at your surname, including women. And the surprising part is, they’ve never even paid attention to their own surname. They never question why it’s always male.
Yash Pratap2 points: First: Hindu is a culture, a way of life. This has been iterated by Supreme Court of this country. Some part of it might be mythology but not as a whole. I don't know about other religions but Hinduism is not mythology as a whole. There are layers to it. Second: The surnames exists in real world. So as the rivers. So before saying that any culture is anti-women, more study and rational debate would be needed. This is my opinion.
Do you really know what you are posting? Linking everything to PM of India just to take out your hatred for him, neither empowers anyone else or you. Also, I hope, you are all set to take up your spouse surname and it would also involve the consent of your family. Second, Devi OR Dev And Kumari OR Kumar, etc, all fall under the category of Middle names and very very rarely in surname ( that too when someone has dropped their surname and adopted middle name as surname). You need to refine your vocabulary in Hindi and Hinduism, both. POPULARITY IS GOOD, BUT FOR ALL THE NEGATIVITY YOU SPREAD, it WILL ALWAYS get you IN BAD BOOKS. Definitely not in the bad books of antisocial people.
Puja G.I just used this example to ask a question: Why is Shivani Aggarwal an acceptable name, but Shiv Devi is not? What do you think ?? PS : Why doesn't Shivani Aggarwal create any confusion but Shiv Devi does ? This is internalised oppression. There is no negativity in the question, it's your interpretation.
Why using Prime minister of India as your example only? Dont you have any respect for your country's PM? Is it that important to gather attention than your basic level of moral values? why cant it be shared in a more dignified manner? It just seemed to be an attention-gathering stunt? and I will refrain from commenting further to this loop. Thanks and please always remember, "Building DIGNIFIED character is always more Important than BUILDING career!"
Puja G.If the world isn't able to harm Trump's reputation by mocking him publicly with memes then how can Modi's reputation be harmed by mocking is the real question ? Free speech isn't harmful for anyone and this isn't hateful content at all. You're confusing "dignity with Hindu values" and in this post he doesn't represent those values. Why does the PM Modi need to fit in your image?
Yash PratapTake a cue fromPrateek Rationaland practice what you promote. Suffix your name with Devi/Kumari. How about Yash Devi, Yash Kumari, or Yashi Devi, Yashi Kumari.
Well, is it right by putting a gender biased surname in the table? Giving few example by names.. "Siya ram", "radhe krishna", "guri shankar", "uma Shankar" etc etc From the beginning of Hinduism it was cultured and celebrated by putting female names before male.. and this is till going on. Few of us just created a bottle and put male female inside to fight and argue by shaking it a bit.. Both genders have a different purpose Equally that needs to be celebrated.
Sandip MalakarCome into the real world — in mythology, everyone speaks nicely. But in reality, the whole world looks at your surname, including women. And the surprising part is, they’ve never even paid attention to their own surname. They never question why it’s always male.
Sandip MalakarNo, before 1200 BC, Iron age, there was no concept of property, marriage as agriculture wasn't productive. That's why no rigid gender roles exist during that phase.
Aviral TiwariHaHa bhai dharam ka nasha jab utar jaata hai tab wo sab dikhai deta hai jo kabhi nahi diya .. ladkiya bolti ki mai surname change nahi karungi ya fir middle name add karungi jisse meri ancestory ka bhi pata chale par phir bhi surname to father ka hi use kara .. patriarchy hi rahi fir bhi .. kya change aaya kuch nahi .. iss surname ke khel ke saath equality kabhi haasil nahi ho sakti .. hamesha internalisation of oppression rahega ..
Shankar MukundIt started with Modheshwari Mata and Modh, and later evolved into Modi. It is linked to a profession, but when this name was given, women did not participate in the labor force. If women did not do the job because that's not allowed according to religion and socioeconomic reality of that time, how can we associate women with a profession they never performed.
Lt Col Prasad S N, Ph.Dthanks, the real question is : Why Shivani Aggarwal doesn't create any confusion but Shiv Devi does ? This is the real question.
Lt Col Prasad S N, Ph.D“Maheshwari” = Mahesh + wari Mahesh (महेश): Sanskrit origin, one of the names of Lord Shiva. -wari / -wāri (वारी): Sanskrit/Hindi suffix meaning “followers of” or “connected to”. Combined, Maheshwari literally means “follower/devotee of Mahesh (Shiva)”. So strange 😂😂 The question was Why we don't find male using female surnames but we find females using male surnames, why this ratio is almost 98:2 in some sense. The answer is simple it represents the patriarchal system.
Imagine a name as a data structure with three pieces of information 1) Your Personal Sound (First Name) 2) Some data from your Father's Side (Last Name) 3) Some data from your Mother's Side (Does not exist currently) Revamping the structure of names could be something to think of on these aspects.
Santanu BanerjeeNice joke, but people in India always avoid the issue of caste, and whenever caste is discussed, it is discussed from a male perspective—not a female one. This is a female perspective: how a woman sees caste and religion, even if she becomes successful or belongs to an upper caste. A surname will never belong to her gender.
Who said that @thakur is male surname? A woman born in Chauhan become Chauhan ? Rathore become Rathore What kind of analysis is this ? If I say Pratap is a male Surname..... what your behalf and generation carry as Surname? Kuch bhi 😂
Amit Solankithese all are linguistically male if you do language analysis of these words. Thakur is a word used for male in Sanskrit I am saying that the surname is a reality and the surname is patrilinial, it will never be fair for women as it will always represent the lineage of a male not a female. Periyar solved this issue in South by removing the concept of surname.
Lavajiit SinghI just used this example to ask a question: Why is Shivani Aggarwal an acceptable name, but Shiv Devi is not? What do you think ?? PS : Why doesn't Shivani Aggarwal create any confusion but Shiv Devi does ? This is internalised oppression.
My name is Sheetal Rani, which is my complete and documented name. I am not carrying the surname of my father and my husband. I face problems some times but it is not that much difficult. Rather people like when I say that I believe I have my own identity and this name was given to me by my mother. There are certain places where people just focus on it but not everywhere. I have my own personal experience.
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That's becoz family name is linked to the Male lineage. We have Father's surname.
It requires deeper understanding of the Sanskaars first.
Yes all this has been exploited. Arth ka Anarth. This is the trouble.
So, without deeper knowledge I would not comment on this.
Without understanding religion we cannot question anything. First we need to gain knowledge and then ask Right questions.
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Thats ok, but it doesn't come across the right way.
Talk about the exploitation not religion becoz you have not understood the deeper aspect of religion either.
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So better we should talk about Patriachy, misinterpretation of religion, not the Principles which have deeper significance.
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Well then i think you are mixing up everything.
Religion is not Orthodox. Orthodoxy is a Mindset.
It's like if doctors are corrupt then say medical science teaches corruption. That's absurd.
Also, have you read and Interpreted scriptures yourself. How do you know what it means. Yes, some form Cult and that should be questioned, not the Principles of Religion.
Word Religion is used very casually by those who claim to be Rational. So, I am just clarifying.
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She just dragged Nehru cleverly without using his statement.
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Well she has a national award for her work .
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(Not exactly surnames, but certainly status indicators).
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Why is Shivani Aggarwal an acceptable name, but Shiv Devi is not?
What do you think ??
PS :
Why doesn't Shivani Aggarwal create any confusion but Shiv Devi does ?
This is internalised oppression.
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Here Sitara Devi or Phoolan Devi is not surname.
Same like, Ram Kumar or Rani Kumari. Both are extension of names, not surnames.
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As I said you are mixing up and giving your own justification.
Now you used the word Philosophy. It's Spiritual Science not Philosophy.
Now you would call Spiritualism to be imagination.
So, like I don't accept blind religious beliefs, same way I don't blindly agree on Rational Beliefs. Yes, even being Rational can become a Belief.
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First: Hindu is a culture, a way of life. This has been iterated by Supreme Court of this country. Some part of it might be mythology but not as a whole. I don't know about other religions but Hinduism is not mythology as a whole. There are layers to it.
Second: The surnames exists in real world. So as the rivers. So before saying that any culture is anti-women, more study and rational debate would be needed.
This is my opinion.
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Also, I hope, you are all set to take up your spouse surname and it would also involve the consent of your family.
Second, Devi OR Dev And Kumari OR Kumar, etc, all fall under the category of Middle names and very very rarely in surname ( that too when someone has dropped their surname and adopted middle name as surname).
You need to refine your vocabulary in Hindi and Hinduism, both.
POPULARITY IS GOOD, BUT FOR ALL THE NEGATIVITY YOU SPREAD, it WILL ALWAYS get you IN BAD BOOKS. Definitely not in the bad books of antisocial people.
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Why is Shivani Aggarwal an acceptable name, but Shiv Devi is not?
What do you think ??
PS :
Why doesn't Shivani Aggarwal create any confusion but Shiv Devi does ?
This is internalised oppression.
There is no negativity in the question, it's your interpretation.
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It just seemed to be an attention-gathering stunt?
and I will refrain from commenting further to this loop. Thanks and please always remember, "Building DIGNIFIED character is always more Important than BUILDING career!"
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Free speech isn't harmful for anyone and this isn't hateful content at all.
You're confusing "dignity with Hindu values" and in this post he doesn't represent those values.
Why does the PM Modi need to fit in your image?
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How about Yash Devi, Yash Kumari, or Yashi Devi, Yashi Kumari.
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Giving few example by names..
"Siya ram", "radhe krishna", "guri shankar", "uma Shankar" etc etc
From the beginning of Hinduism it was cultured and celebrated by putting female names before male.. and this is till going on.
Few of us just created a bottle and put male female inside to fight and argue by shaking it a bit..
Both genders have a different purpose Equally that needs to be celebrated.
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ya ganja nasha bahut strong funkte ho ???
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Why Shivani Aggarwal doesn't create any confusion but Shiv Devi does ?
This is the real question.
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Mahesh (महेश): Sanskrit origin, one of the names of Lord Shiva.
-wari / -wāri (वारी): Sanskrit/Hindi suffix meaning “followers of” or “connected to”.
Combined, Maheshwari literally means “follower/devotee of Mahesh (Shiva)”.
So strange 😂😂
The question was Why we don't find male using female surnames but we find females using male surnames, why this ratio is almost 98:2 in some sense. The answer is simple it represents the patriarchal system.
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1) Your Personal Sound (First Name)
2) Some data from your Father's Side (Last Name)
3) Some data from your Mother's Side (Does not exist currently)
Revamping the structure of names could be something to think of on these aspects.
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A woman born in Chauhan become Chauhan ?
Rathore become Rathore
What kind of analysis is this ?
If I say Pratap is a male Surname..... what your behalf and generation carry as Surname?
Kuch bhi 😂
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Thakur is a word used for male in Sanskrit
I am saying that the surname is a reality and the surname is patrilinial, it will never be fair for women as it will always represent the lineage of a male not a female.
Periyar solved this issue in South by removing the concept of surname.
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Why is Shivani Aggarwal an acceptable name, but Shiv Devi is not?
What do you think ??
PS :
Why doesn't Shivani Aggarwal create any confusion but Shiv Devi does ?
This is internalised oppression.
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